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April 24th, 2010, by zalas
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It appears that minori is still commenting on a talk page on the TLWiki, and due to the previous article being ridiculously long, the rest of the conversation and any more developments will be posted in this article. To summarize the new comments, minori talked about user license agreements and the proper way to go about translating games.

Hey, Minori, I’m a dirty gaijin and yet I bought all four of your shitty games (not to mention many other character goods and R2 DVDs related to them). Guess what? It’s not illegal for me to buy or play them in my country so fuck off. Draneor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.68.130 (talk • contribs)

minori様、TLWikiに興味をお持ちいただきまして、まことにありがとうございます。恐縮ですが我々はただのファンの集合であり、公式的な進行は恐らく無理だと思っております。御社の審査などについての気持ちは分かりますが、御社が行っている荒らし行為のようなrevert競争などは、決して認めるようにはいけません。ページのコンテンツを改良しようとしない勝手な編集などはただちにお辞め下さい。我々は、誰も公式的に公開してくれない日本のゲームを世界に広めたいだけです。ご了承下さい。 62.113.171.64 22:01, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

[minori, thank you for having an interest in TLWiki. Sorry, but we are simply a collection of fans and progressing into some official localization outfit would be probably impossible. I understand your feelings about rating reviews, but I cannot condone your actions when you started a revert war, acting like you're raiding some website. Now please stop making arbitrary edits to a page's contents if you aren't trying to improve the page. We only wish to spread Japan's video games to the world when no one wants to officially distribute it. Please understand.]

This is the dumbest thing I ever seen, can someone block this idiot as I refuse to believe ANY company is THAT stupid.81.84.12.107 02:04, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

>Draneor 様
私たちのソフトウェアのパッケージ裏面には「日本国内専用」と記述させて頂いております。これは少なくとも日本国内で当社のソフトウェアを使用したことによって起きた事象は当社の責任が発生する可能性がありうるという意味です。合法か違法か? という点については「日本国内では合法、他は厳密な調査していないので不明」としか言いようがありません。Draneor様が合法と言い切られたということは、Draneor様はきっと日本国内居住ということなのでしょう(当社のソフトウェアは使用する地域・環境、使用する者の年齢による制限は行っておりますが、その他、使用者の国籍等の制限は一切ありません)。また、日本国内で使用することを前提に翻訳等を行う行為ついても、著作権法で認められた個人という範疇の方がその範疇で利用する場合は、著作権法に照らし合わせても、正当な使用法ですので、私たちは何も申し上げません(使用許諾契約書に記述している通りです)。ただし、不特定第三者に公開することは著作権法においても違法な行為ですので、ルールに則って対処しなければなりません。

>62.113.171.64 様
公式のご発言かどうかわかりかねますが、私たちは私たちの持ちうる権利(著作権)を侵害する行為に対して正当な権利行使をしたに過ぎません。当社は編集前に別途メールにてクレームをお出ししておりますし、一番最初の編集時に当該のページに編集の理由と連絡先を明示しました。これは著作権法を遵守するための防衛行動です。 その上で、当社の行為を否定するのであれば、法を遵守するために、24時間監視の上、即時対応すべきではないですか?(VDZ様が対応をされたことは理解しています) また、著作権を守る意思のある方のみが編集できるようなシステムにするなど、方法はいくらでもあると思いますが、この点いかがお考えでしょうか?
ご存知かわかりかねますが当社ソフトウェアには「使用許諾契約書」というのもが同封されており、契約書中で「当社の許諾無き翻訳等の禁止」を明示しております。これは著作権法をご理解していない方のために、記述しているものです。そして、すべての「正規ユーザー」の皆様は、ご同意頂いた上で、使用されていらっしゃいます。つまり、こちらで活動されている方は、残念ながら利用許諾にも違反しており、これも大多数のユーザーを保護する観点から認めることはできません。
また、ファンだから著作権を無視してもいいという論調にも同意しかねます。ひょっとすると、翻訳を行いパッチを無償で公開することを許可するメーカーもあるかもしれません(当社は前述の通りお断りしますが)。そのような問い合わせを行った上で、活動を行う事だってできるはずです(少なくとも当社には過去に遡って、そのような問い合わせを頂いておりません)。例えば、違法な方法によって不特定多数に頒布せずとも、今後何らかの方法で当社ソフトウェアに同梱し、日本国内で販売もしくは頒布する方法があるかもしれません。コストが発生するのであれば、見合った範囲でminoriが利益を分配する可能性もゼロでは無いと思います。こういった方法は、まず希望する側がコンタクトを取るところから始めるべきではないでしょうか? そういった建設的行為を行わずして、どうしたら公式になる可能性があるのか? という点を模索しないまま、所詮ファンだから公式と相容れることは不可能であると一方的に決め付ける姿勢は理解しかねます。
社会にはルールがあります。そのルールは守るか、変えるかどちらかしかできません。現状のルールでは全てのコンテンツは一定の期間、著作権者に権利が帰属します。期間中においてもしそれを二次利用したいのであれば、それが善意的であれ悪意的であれ、著作権者の許諾を得ることが世界のルールです。それを遵守して、はじめて「ファン」を名乗ることができるのではないでしょうか? 何度も書きますが、ファンの名を騙れば違法行為も辞さずというスタンスは認めることはできません。日本のゲームを世界に広げたいという意思はわかりますが、それはあくまでルールに基づいて行われるべきであり、無法に行うべき事ではありません。–218.219.158.186 10:25, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

[To Mr. Draneor
"Exclusively for use within Japan" is written on the back of the packaging for our software. It implies that at least that if there's a problem when you use the software within Japan, there's a possiblity that we (minori) have to take some responsibility for it. Is it legal [to play our games]? Well, we can only say that “it is legal inside Japan; we haven’t investigated the situation outside of Japan and therefore we don’t know.” Mr. Draneor, you were pretty confident in saying that it was legal, perhaps that means that you are residing inside Japan. (Our software comes with restrictions with respect to usage location, usage environment and user age, but we do not have any restrictions on nationality.) Also, assuming you are using this software in Japan, if you go about translating it, as long as you operate under the scope of “personal use” accepted by copyright law, we have no objections since it is considered proper usage if you cross-check with copyright law. (The user license agreement has this written on it.) However, distribution to random third parties is illegal even under copyright law, and so we have to take appropriate measures.

To Mr. 62.113.171.64
Don’t know whether this was an official statement, but we believe that we have properly exercised our rights in response to one of our rights (copyrights) being infringed upon. Before we proceeded with the edit, we send out specific email(s) regarding our complaint. When we committed the first edit, we clearly posted the reason for our edit and contract information. This is a defensive measure following the rules of copyright law. On top of that, if there were objections, shouldn’t there have been an immediate response in keeping with etiquette while our actions were being observed? (We understand that Mr. VDZ has responded) Also, isn’t it true that there are many ways to limit the editing system so that only people who respect copyright would be able to edit?
I don’t know if you know this, but our software come bundled with user license agreements, and within the license agreement is a clause clearing saying that “we prohibit translation without our permission.” This was written in the agreement for those who do not understand copyright law. Furthermore, all of the “legal/proper users” of the software use this software having accepted the agreement. In other words, those working here and unfortunately in violation of the license agreement, and we cannot condone this from the point of view of protecting the majority of our users.
Also, we do not agree with the idea that it is okay to ignore copyright if you are fans. Let’s suppose there is a game maker who would agree to allow free distribution of a fan translation patch. (Our company is opposed to this, by the way.) It should be possible to contact this company and with dialogue, be permitted to translate and distribute. (At least, we have never received such correspondence in the past.) For example, without illegal distribution to an indefinite number of people, perhaps there’s some way in the future for the translation to be bundled with the software and be released in Japan. If there are costs involved, I don’t think it’s impossible for minori to share some of the benefits at an appropriate level. In order for this to happen, it must start with the party that wishes to do this to establish contact, don’t you think? What other methods are there for an official release without such constructive actions? We don’t understand people not investigating the previous scenario, adhering to the one-sided line of thought that “since we are fans, we are incompatible with the official game makers.”
Society has rules. You can only follow these rules, or change them. As the rules currently stand, all [creative] content have rights assigned to the copyright holder for a limited time. If someone wishes to use the content in some derivative work within that period of time, regardless of whether it is for good use or for malicious use, it’s a universal rule that one should obtain the permission of the copyright holder. Perhaps it is by following these rules that we first become “fans”. As we have said before, we do not condone the stance of calling yourselves fans while continuing with these illicit activities. We understand wanting to spread Japan’s games to the world, but one should do this at least by the rules and should not go about doing this in an unreasonable manner.]

>パッケージ裏面には「日本国内専用」と記述させて頂いております FREE MARKET DIDN’T YOU LEARN THIS IN ECONOMICS CLASSES AT SCHOOL? OH WOW HOW DUMB CAN A MAN BE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.9.49.204 (talk • contribs)

["Exclusively for use in Japan" is written on the back of the package.]

I really don’t have an issue with you shutting down an unauthorized translation project, but you have no legal right to restrict the import of your products to another country. Japanese law, whatever it says, does not apply to me because I do not live in Japan. If you have an issue with companies that export it, take it up with them (although “first sale” and “exhaustion principle” might disagree). But as for why you’d prefer all “foreigners” to pirate your products over purchasing them I’d never know. Because that’s exactly what will happen if you shut down all legal avenues of acquiring them.Draneor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.68.130 (talk • contribs)

いっやー、まさか返事が来るとは思ってなかったなー(^ω^ )ゞ

インターネッツの事情について一つだけは理解して欲しい。それは、インターネッツは国際的な法を超えた存在で、古代的な倫理や権利などのルールは適用できないと言うことだ。クレームやら荒らしやらによって一つのプロジェクトが無くなっても、どこかの誰かが必ず継いでくれる。むしろこう言った行為によって、作品の知名度が高まってしまって、逆効果がある件も多い。このゲームの場合はもう手遅れかもしれないが、将来にも中々世界に見せたくないコンテンツがあったら、黙って何もしないほうがマシだと思います。ネット住民の意志は決して砕けないからだ。何度でも蘇るのだからさ!

とにかくminoriの皆さん、あんたたちは最高や!これからも思いっきりのHENTAIなゲームに期待していますw(もちろん海外居住だが、どうかご理解くださいまっしw) 62.113.171.64 12:25, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

[Wow, didn't realize that I'd get a reply ^^

Please at least understand one thing about the Internet. That is, the Internet is an entity that surpasses international law; in other words, you cannot apply archaic rules and rights to the Internet. Even if you stop one project through a complaint or raiding, someone somewhere will definitely continue. Rather, these types of actions end up giving said work more exposure and usually end up having the reverse intended effect. It's probably too late for this game, but in the future, if there's some content you don't want the world to see, it's best to shut up and do nothing. It's impossible to crush the will of the people on the net; they'll come back no matter what!

Anyway, to all the people at minori, you guys are awesome! I totally look forward to these "hentai" games lol (Of course I live overseas [outside of Japan], please understand lol)]

>62.113.171.64 well shit nigger you apparently aren’t allowed to play, or even buy their games. good luck with that shit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.9.49.204 (talk • contribs)

minori様は「公式のご発言かどうかわかりかねます」とおっしゃっていましたが、「62.113.171.64」のような無名の書き込みは決して公式ではないことをご理解して下さい。 公式な返事ならこちらに書いております。 僕の日本語が下手で余り敬語の使い方はわからないけど、日本語に翻訳してみます。
まず、minoriの社員がこれを読んでいるならば、minori様の要求書に答えようとしたTLWikiのユーザーの一部の大人気ない行動のことを謝っておきたいと思います。 けれど、事前の予告もなくページを消すのは要求を伝える正しい方法ではないこともお手伝いしたいと思います。 私にとっては会社の要求書等は単純に電子メールで送ってもらえれば幸いです。 今からメインページにてその希望を表明します。 私以外の者の行動がこのサイトの管理人としての公式な行動と勘違いされることを避けるため、ほとんどの管理人権を持ったユーザーから私は只今その権を奪いました。 言いたいことはそれだけです。 他の会社はもっと思いやってくれるといいのですが。

和訳での口調はバラバラでしょうけど、意味を分かって頂ければ何よりです。 69.163.180.32 12:32, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

[minori, if you are wondering about whether it's an official statement or not, please understand that an anonymous posting from 62.113.171.64 is definitely not an official statement. If you want the official response, I'll write it below. My Japanese is not very good and I'm not very good at using keigo [polite speech], but I translated it for you into Japanese:

[below is the original text from which the translation was made]

First, if anyone from minori is reading this, I would like to apologize for the childish behavior of some of the other users in response to their request. However, I would also like to state that blanking a page without prior notice is not the proper way to express your desire for a takedown.

I would quite prefer it if companies would simply notify me personally via email. Perhaps I’ll add a disclaimer to the main page stating as such.

I have removed administration abilities from the majority of users since I do not wish for anyone except myself to be construed as acting in the capacity of the official face of TLWiki.

That’s all I wanted to say. Hopefully most companies will be more understanding…

The tone due to the translation is probably all over the place, but I hope you understand the basic meaning.]

あ、私はただの通りすがりだといい忘れた。すいませんw 62.113.171.64 12:38, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
[Oh yeah, I'm just a passing Anon. Sorry lol]

UPDATE: We’ve been informed that minori has supposedly sent NNL a DMCA request and intend to pursue legal action in Canada if the DMCA is ignored. Meanwhile, NNL has put up a poll on their website asking whether ef should be released. Meanwhile, having also received correspondence from minori, one of the teams working on eden has decided to stop working on the project.

UPDATE 2: We got permission from our source to post the email:

私たちは、NNLに対して警告文(DMCA)を送付しています。
彼らがDMCAを無視し、著作権法を守らない場合、彼らの母国であるカナダにおいて裁判を起こす準備をしています。
私たちは、それぞれの国の文化を大事にしたいと考えています。
そこには必ずルールというものが必要です。
私たちのソフトウェアを日本国外でもプレイされたいという意見はありがたいですが、
そのためには、その国のルールの中で流通しなければなりません。
もし、私たちのソフトを日本国外で販売や頒布したいと考えるならば、
販売や頒布をしたい人が、私たちの会社に販売ライセンスを請求する交渉をすればいいのです。
2009年6月から今日まで、NNLのメンバーをはじめ、誰からもそのような問い合わせはありませんでした。
私たちはいつでも扉を開けて待っているのです。
Sincerely yours.
minori Inc.

Translation:

We will send NNL a warning letter (DMCA). If they ignore the DMCA and continue to violate copyright law, we will be prepared to start legal proceedings against them in their native country of Canada.
We would like each country’s culture to be treated with the utmost care. For that to happen, “rules” are necessary.
We appreciate the wish to play our software in a country other than Japan, but that must work within the rules of that country. If someone wishes to sell and distribute our software outside of Japan, then said person should negotiate with us to obtain a license.
From June of 2009 until today, no member of NNL or anyone else for that matter has approached us with anything of the sort. Our doors are always open [to such communications].

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  1. roo Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 11:36 am

    unbelievable

  2. Anon Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    “Is it legal [to play our games]? Well, we can only say that “it is legal inside Japan; we haven’t investigated the situation outside of Japan and therefore we don’t know.””

    Is this for real? My goodness minori is fucking stupid.

    No minori, it’s fucking illegal to play your games in another country, just like how its illegal to smoke pot and sniff cocaine. Next time I buy anything that says “Exclusively for use within Japan” and I bring it to my country, I’m going to be scared for life because what I may be doing is ILLEGAL. OH NOES.

  3. Chass Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    Since they place region lock on their games, wouldn’t it mean that one would have to hack the game to play it outside of Japan?

  4. Draneor Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    No, you don’t need to hack their games. Change your Windows locale to Japan and they work fine.

  5. KKaiser Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    I used to condemn NNL for their standalone patch, now I cannot wait for them to finish and for me to get a hold of it.
    Damn it minori, you are just turning the few overseas fans you got into your own enemies. What can you possibly win with this?

  6. Aaeru Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    I feel like pirating a Minori game today. Which one should I start with?

  7. chaosmayos Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    This was minori’s stand from the start. They blocked foreign access. They don’t want their games getting played by people living in foreign countries; because shit happens when foreign media gets hyped up and starts linking the atrocities of mankind to the games they make. So why not respect their wishes and just not buy them? Don’t act like they are ones being stupid when you go on to buy their games when they obviously don’t want you to, and come crying over how much of an ‘asshole’ they were being, boo-hoo. You were never the intended customer. Having you buy the game and playing it overseas is determined by the company to be more trouble than the potential profits it could bring, so stop whining.

    … but raiding wikis is meh, there had to be much better ways to take-down content with reference to their “Rules of Society” stance.

  8. CompleteTaco Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    There are so many things wrong with chaosmayos post that I’m just going to leave it at that. Anyway, minori has never really defined their official stance, and what they’re doing now is more or so just protecting their copyright (in legal terms, anyway). “This game is to be used in Japan only” is something I didn’t think minori would bother putting into the playing field – this is a blanket notice applied to many products which even have express intents on being region free (you can see this in a couple of CAVE’s works).

    Minori is really not doing anything wrong legally in taking down the Wiki, but it is none the less very annoying to have companies which actively strive to act more like a business than play nice with their customers. Frankly though, it’s worse when you have project members who will always “respect” their wishes…definitely understandable when they do, though.

  9. anon Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    @chaosmayos: I don’t think a company should be allowed to decide who is allowed to use their products by some arbitrary thing such as nationality. At least around here, that’s known as discrimination and is illegal.

  10. chaosmayos Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    >CompleteTaco
    http://www.minori.ph/

    I may have taken some liberty with analyzing their intentions but i thought its an ok (though exaggerated) outline. They just don’t want the potential problems associated with foreign media through ‘fans’ living in countries other than Japan. That being said, they wouldn’t turn down $$$ if people STILL wanted to buy the games. This one-eye-closed stance allows the company to shirk (some) responsibility should shit happen, while sales to foreign-based customers still continues (not like minori would be able to have any control over who from where buys their games), these and probably also because the “eroge-makers fight back” scenario would feel really good. Anyway, I would love to hear more on where I was wrong. I guess “There are so many things wrong with chaosmayos post that I’m just going to leave it at that.” doesn’t really help me at all.

  11. Wellington P. Emerson, III Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    Right now I am really curious to see what No Name Loser’s next move is going to be. Other than the removal of the link for that fandub ef project (as an aside, the less said about that the better) there haven’t been any updates on their site since this shit storm began. Hopefully, NNL will release ef. If they release it great, if not I’ll just have to be satisfied with their Chapter 1 & 5 standalone releases, which I downloaded a while ago and have yet to read. However, given the attitude I’ve seen from NNL they aren’t likely to back down unless their server pulls the plug on them.

    As for minori, they are certainly well within their rights to defend their intellectual property from piracy and/or unauthorized translations. Nonetheless, I do find it curious that supposed professionals (i.e. minori) got into a pissing contest with a bunch of fans on an English language wiki page. The whole situations has been very interesting to observe.

  12. chaosmayos Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    (… sorry about the double posting.)

    >9
    I copied this from the reply to “Draneor” from this article.

    |||”Exclusively for use within Japan” is written on the back of the packaging for our software. It implies that at least that if there’s a problem when you use the software within Japan, there’s a possiblity that we (minori) have to take some responsibility for it. Is it legal [to play our games]? Well, we can only say that “it is legal inside Japan; we haven’t investigated the situation outside of Japan and therefore we don’t know.” Mr. Draneor, you were pretty confident in saying that it was legal, perhaps that means that you are residing inside Japan. (Our software comes with restrictions with respect to usage location, usage environment and user age, but we do not have any restrictions on nationality.) Also, assuming you are using this software in Japan, if you go about translating it, as long as you operate under the scope of “personal use” accepted by copyright law, we have no objections since it is considered proper usage if you cross-check with copyright law. (The user license agreement has this written on it.)

    They replied that they do not have restrictions on nationality. I would think that this is a defensive mechanism on their part since (most) people are governed by the laws on the region they live in. What may be a legal game in Japan by passing the game through their erogame regulatory board, may be illegal in other countries, and I am sure they would hate to get blamed for some random crime remotely associated with the content of the minori game (which was illegal in said country) found in the dude’s room. There would then be a chance for the media to blow things out of proportions, and soon the Japanese would be accused of making “immoral games” that negative impacts society … The problem being they cannot totally shirk their part (because they made the game) in said situation, and they would get flak for producing what is a legal game in Japan, from foreign media who could possibly seem hell-bent on demonizing the game makers as scourge on Earth.

  13. Chass Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    lol on the update…

    it’s ironic all this shit happens now…

  14. Wellington P. Emerson, III Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    Given the news of the supposed DCMA take down request, I am REALLY interested to see what NNL is going to do now.

    It’s getting “curiouser and curiouser” (to steal a quote from Lewis Carroll)

  15. Iris Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    NNL just posted a poll whether to release ef or not on their site.

    (I personally think they’d release it no matter what the poll results are)

  16. Chass Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    ^old news, obviously ya didn’t read the update

    On the other hand, I think that they won’t release…in fact, the idea that they were going to release in the first place is already ambiguous, ever since December of last year…

  17. Anon Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    They probably put the poll to see how many people are on the “no” stance. Regardless, they probably couldn’t give a shit about the DMCA. I would love to see what minori “thinks” they can do if they decide to legal action because personally, I don’t think they can do shit outside of Japan.

    @15: I think they’d release it to just to piss off minori.

    @16: Well they did provide the individual chapters, so we know they’ve been translating the games at least. But the question remaining is if they will release it or not now.

  18. Belgaesh Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    If they are selling there are people who are gonna buy, doesn’t matter who.

  19. kud Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    I agree with chaosmayos.

    minori has shown repeatedly they don’t give a damn about foreign customers. And in fact, would rather go to lengths to actively deprive foreign customers/fans access to their products instead plainly ignoring them like so many other companies.

    From their previous notice about how we should “protest to our respective governments on the issue” if we wanted to play their games, and from what is occurring now, I suspect they’re pretty bitter about the whole foreign media frenzy about hentai games/eroge and have become extreme in their stance in hopes of somehow ‘punishing’ those who don’t ‘get’ them and their industry.

    You guys need to realize this. They apparently don’t care about you guys or your business. And now they’re just putting on airs as to “oh if someone would have contacted us about the patch we could have arranged something” crap. Yeah right. They would have denied it the moment someone fired that email. So why continue to support a company that thinks little of its international userbase?

  20. Shizuka Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    >> We’ve been informed that minori has supposedly sent NNL a DMCA request and intend to pursue legal action in Canada if the DMCA is ignored.

    Where is the source for this claim? What more, a DMCA claim in Canada is pretty amusing, given Canada doesn’t have the DMCA. Silly Americans, thinking their law applies everywhere in the world. Oh wait, I forgot we were talking about Minori.

  21. anon Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    I just sent mail to Equality Now regarding minori is selling pedo porn.

    Yeah. Fuck them.
    Goodbye minori.
    :)

  22. CompleteTaco Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    As much as I think minroi should fuck off, it is a really, really, stupid idea to do what 21 did, unless you want more support for the banning of fictional material.

    chaosmayos, it was more about exaggeration more than anything, so you’ve covered your bases. Though, I don’t see how the right to go “boo-hoo” matters, because it’s perfectly acceptable for people to complain about this. If anything, the only thing wrong with it is that isn’t primarily about how miniori has this stance.

  23. Anon Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    @21: You’re a fucking idiot. Go die. 21 is even more of dumbass than minori themselves.

  24. Dan88 Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    @21

    May I remind you that the company who made RapeLay is still very much alive, that the games Minori makes are easy to defend regardless of what restrictions Japan puts into place, and that all doing bullshit like that would do is tell Minori that their fear of dirty gaijin is a legitimate fear.

  25. Iris Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    I concur with anon #23 -_-

  26. anon Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 9:57 pm

    http://boards.4chan.org/jp/res/4967559

  27. Aaeru Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 11:33 pm

    @21: Don’t do that! That will be pouring oil on what has already been en-flamed.

    @19: I think kud put it good. A lot of people outside of Japan do not UNDERSTAND, how much Otaku HATE foreigners. They hate us.

    And if news of this supposed ‘injustice’ against a english wiki belonging to a handful of fans, were to spread to 2chan, guess which side the Japanese Otaku populace would support? They would support Minori.

    Sure, you can go on to fight the good fight and spread the visual novel medium outside Japan (an honourable deed, yes), but it will be more difficult to change the extremely closed mindedness of Japanese people and their otaku culture. People are criticizing Minori for acting unprofessionally and such. Minori are doing this to us just to spite us because they freaking hate Gaijin. Remember – the people who make eroge are Japanese Otaku too.

  28. Anon Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    “From June of 2009 until today, no member of NNL or anyone else for that matter has approached us with anything of the sort. Our doors are always open [to such communications].”

    Maybe it’s because you fucking closed your fucking site to all foreigners you dumb fucks. Holy crap, can they be any more fucking stupider? Last line is just too fucking hilarious. minori you guys are biggest joke in all eroge company history. No other eroge company is worse that these egotistical fucks.

  29. anon Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    >28

    Not to mention that NNL DID ACTUALLY contacted them when they was translating wind.

  30. Daishi Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    I thought we (in Canada) where not under the DMCA so I don’t think that approach can work? and this I’m not 100% sure on either but Bill C-61 I don’t think that has even been passed yet? If not than as long as no one is making a profit than it’s only file sharing and last time I checked that is completely legal in Canada (as long as the DMCA and Bill C-61 do not apply) they actually should not be able to do anything?

    With that said they are not losing a profit nor are they gaining one, if they want a profit they should have started attempting to produce it with translations. So ultimately they should not complain, and if I’m right about the bill and the DMCA than we’ve done nothing wrong.

    One thing I’m kind of questioning though and I only think this because well I’m kind of glad personally… Sekai Project (a team associated with the translation) has been slow on working on the School days translation, is it possible that this was a forced war to make them stop and focus on the School Days project? I wouldn’t put it past some clever guy who knows Japanese and has a Japanese proxy.

  31. anon Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 12:04 am

    >30

    http://qiufen.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/hgame/1266163109/

    that one clever guy is apparently minori producer himself.

    btw they hates you.

  32. Ronald Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 12:48 am

    Bitch!

  33. Kanna Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 12:56 am

    The decision to suspend the project was a unanimous decision made by the groups involved. Regardless of legality, we will respect minori’s wishes.

    Contrary to assumptions, the progress (or lack thereof) on School Days was not a factor in the cancellation of the Eden* project. I do admit progress has been slow, but hopefully soon(tm) we’ll have something to show for the wait.

  34. Genelize Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 1:19 am

    They waited until Ef was just about to be released and Eden progressed so far for maximum disappointment, i’d say they have been observing this for long time now waiting for the cruelest moment to put their dmca’ing to action… That is something i can’t forgive them.

    While they also state they are open for official english translations i’m pretty sure that’s pretty much impossible and only used as weapon against loyal fans to stop their work…

  35. anon Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 2:51 am

    qiufen.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/hgame/1266163109/

    racist at it’s best

  36. noko Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 3:16 am

    img46.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93183_trololol_122_122lo.JPG

    img201.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=93188_trololol2_122_396lo.JPG

    enjoyyyyyyyyyy

  37. chaosmayos Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am

    Did you even read the thread? If so, where is said racism? Bearing in mind things like (http://community.livejournal.com/bleachness/471776.html?thread=12282592#t12282592) happening. Taking note to the general sentiments (http://logsoku.com/thread/tsushima.2ch.net/news/1271653412/). Not that there aren’t any sympathizers for the small group around who actually are doing the supporting through buying.

    358 :名無したちの午後:2010/04/25(日) 18:46:14 ID:XP8lDaahO
    集英社がジャンプの不正コピーに対して苦言を呈したときも、
    文句垂れてたらしいな

    おそらくちゃんと買って楽しんでる外国人もいるんだろうけど、
    声がデカイ奴らがこんな害人どもだから日本のクリエイターから
    白い目で見られるんだよ
    マトモな外国人逹が可哀想だよ・・・

  38. anon Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 3:35 am

    34: Facepalm… Are you sane?

  39. Veni Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 4:00 am

    This has grown so out of proportion all I can do is laugh…Interested to see just how minori enforces this seeing as they seem to be terrified of all foreigners or some such with the attitude they’ve projected of late…

  40. Busterj Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 4:05 am

    @34 Your an idiot if you sent them the email and posted that comment. If you do en will start targeting other visual novel companies other than minori.

  41. HashiriyaR32 Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 5:42 am

    “From June of 2009 until today, no member of NNL or anyone else for that matter has approached us with anything of the sort. Our doors are always open [to such communications].”

    Now this is just one big lie and they damn well know it is. They really need to think why NNL decided to go the stand-alone route in the first place.

  42. aruku Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 5:49 am

    Wow, you are an ass 34. So you want other stuff to have the potential too?
    Enjoy having other stuff banned. If you even play visual novels, enjoy trolling yourself as well.

  43. Tsukasalink Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 7:11 am

    … >_> I wonder…

  44. zalas Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 7:16 am

    >>33
    Not really; it’s not that much more pronounced than the 4chan threads. Oh, and one of the posts claims that the people behind minori and the people behind MangaGamer are like oil and water, and that seeing MangaGamer mentioned pissed them off. XD

  45. Daishi Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 7:51 am

    @42 for those who want to cast some form of indignation towards minori Instead of sending them 33’s kind of comment lets all just randomly send them messages saying “This company is better than you:” than just list off tons of visual novel companies xD

  46. Anonymous Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 9:23 am

    What exactly is NNL hosting at the moment that NNL wanted down?

    They took down their chapters 1 and 5 translations in preparation for their major release. Looking at their releases, to comply with Minori they would need to take down the following.

    ef – a fairy tale of the two Opening 2 (800×600) [63MB]
    ef – a tale of memories ~prologue~ (720×480 16:9) [48MB] [if minori has some rights to it]
    Wind -a breath of heart- demo [V1.2 DVD]
    *Wind -a breath of heart- DVD patch

    Also if minori has any rights to the following, though probably not
    Wind -a breath of heart- Omake OVA
    Wind -a breath of heart- KSS OVA – 1
    Wind -a breath of heart- TV – 01
    Wind -a breath of heart- TV – 02
    Wind -a breath of heart- TV – 03
    Wind -a breath of heart- TV – 04

    Finally, Minori mystery meat (which is not being hosted right now)

    Because they do not plan on releasing EF through their website, but instead on IRC, the location of the bot with the game would likely be the location where legal issues come into play. With this, they could release the game and still listening to Minori as long as the actual infringing content they host is removed.

  47. Anonymous Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    … Canada doesn’t have the DMCA. Canada isn’t America or the EU. I wish people would realize that.

  48. Anonymous Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    And i forgot to mention it’s also fucking insulting to be grouped together with them (America & the EU), just because were a predominantly white first world nation, or happen to be next to America. I imagine an American would be rather mad if someone automatically assumed he was Canadian, except when there in Europe and pretend to be Canadian.

  49. Anon Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    ^And yet minori talks as if they know everything. They don’t even realize that Canada doesn’t have DMCA. What a bunch of fucking morons.

    Now we know for sure they’re just talking big to scare people.

  50. anon Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    I guess I re-seed my iso of eden lol…

  51. Anonymous Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    I forgot another thing concerning Canada and our copy right laws. While minori could charge them under, our distribution/copyright laws, the RCMP (The Police)
    clearly stated years ago that unless the party in question is profiting from the “crime”, they will not spend the resources to find or do anything about it. Some articles, so people don’t think I’m full of hot air:

    http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/4327

    http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9102/rcmp_piracy_for_personal_use_is_no_longer_targeted/

    http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/tech-news/?p=1548

  52. anon Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    Actually, no. I couldn’t care less if someone thought I was a Canadian. Nationality is pretty meaningless anyway.

  53. Mee Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    I could be wrong, but isn’t DMCA United States law?
    And thus not valid in Canada?

  54. Anonymous Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 6:18 pm

    @50

    Yes your right, the DMCA is not valid in Canada as i said in post 45. But if the American Companies and other foreign lobbyists get there way we my very well get a “DMCA” variant here, such things have been pushed multiple times here by politicians but as of yet all have failed.

  55. Anonymous Says:
    April 25th, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    This is just a repeat of a post I made. But because I put links in it it needs moderation I think, so ill post it without the links to the articles.

    “I forgot another thing concerning Canada and our copy right laws. While minori could charge them under, our distribution/copyright laws, the RCMP (The Police)
    clearly stated years ago that unless the party in question is profiting from the “crime”, they will not spend the resources to find or do anything about it.”

  56. Wellington P. Emerson, III Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 5:21 am

    As much as I would love to see No Name Losers finally release their Supah build of ef, lets call a spade a spade, its an unauthorized pirated translation. I’m not going to whine like something I was entitled to was taken away from me if it’s never released. minori is well within their rights to put a stop to this. They are certainly within their rights to protect their games from piracy and unauthorized translations.

    An earlier post mentioned something about “respecting” minori’s wishes (post no. #7). I’m glad he mentioned the word “respect.” If minori’s actions were motivated by protecting their profits and bottom line, that I can RESPECT. If minori’s actions are motivated by greed, I can RESPECT that (To quote Gordon Gekko: “Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind.”)

    However, minori’s actions are not motivated in order to defend against lost profits and simple greed. They are motivated by racism and prejudice. They simply do not want non-Japanese to use their products because of some irrational xenophobia. So be it. Nonetheless, I don’t respect that. Nor am I going to respect supposed professionals acting like a bunch of 13 year olds getting into a pissing contest/edit war with the users of TL Wiki.

    As I said I’m not going to sit here and whine like something I was entitled to was taken away from me if I don’t have access to minori games. If their products aren’t authorized for sale outside Japan, they’re are other fish in the sea. What I am entitled to, however, is my opinion that minori are a bunch of racist assholes.

  57. Anon Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 6:36 am

    ^They don’t need any fucking respect. PERIOD.

  58. TheDefend Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Okay… So there is a MAJOR FLAW in their fucking statement

    “… Also, assuming you are using this software in Japan, if you go about translating it, as long as you operate under the scope of “personal use” accepted by copyright law, we have no objections since it is considered proper usage if you cross-check with copyright law. (The user license agreement has this written on it.) However, distribution to random third parties is illegal even under copyright law, and so we have to take appropriate measures”

    So… its perfectly and fuckingly fine to keep translating them and distributing to FRIENDS cuz friend is PERSONAL and the whole net could be FRIENDS.

  59. Chass Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    ^ The problem with your defense is that the guy lurking on /jp/ is not really your “friend”, and even if you can call everyone on the internet your “friend”, it’s certainly not personal…

  60. grgspunk Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    I have to wonder–Why the hell do you idiots in the translation community even bother listening to a company who engages in senseless jackassery with foreign audiences?

    Why do you insist on respecting their wishes if they aren’t even willing to listen to you?

    I got to be honest with you, as idiotic as Minori has been, you guys over at TLWiki have lost my respect as a fan of the visual novel translation community for just backing down on your project so easilty like that. On your side of the Pacific, you’re constantly worrying about events that could potentially decide what type of content is legal/illegal, you’re forced to settle for official products that have been censored in localization because of overt fears of a potential backlash, and you’ve been targeted by the media as people who play games that encourage acts of rape and pedophilia. On their side of the Pacific, you’ve been labeled as intruders who want to impede on their freedom of speech, you’ve been blocked by their websites, and they’ve lost all intention of doing business here or negotiating any licensing deals with you or any other foreign company.

    You guys have had been pushed around for so long, and you guys whined on various news sites about how everything is working against you, yet you don’t even bother to assert anything for yourself–Why don’t you actually have some BALLS to confront things and go for what YOU want for YOURSELVES for once?

  61. zalas Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    >>58
    The optimist in me says “out of respect for the people who create these artistic works.” The pessimist in me says “because they have something to lose in a confrontation that is not necessarily going to get them anything.”

  62. Chass Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    It’s funny how you rant about all this stuff forgetting that Minori is the company that made those games in the first place. It’s not as if they’re asking people to take down projects on random games, only the stuff they made. Hell, why shouldn’t they get to choose who to sell their games to? Especially when the so called “gaijins” only insult, curse, and prove to them over and over again that there is in fact, a real threat to their company when their products reach overseas.

  63. grgspunk Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 2:20 pm

    @60

    We tried talking with them, we tried reasoning with them, and by covering these events, we’ve tried defending their right to make such games. Yet for all that, this is the thanks we get? We get lumped up with a bunch of anti-speech fringe groups, blocked from their website, and have our translation patches taken down? None of the “gaijins” insulted or cursed at them before any of this happened–It only started because they were so irrational enough so as to do such idiotic things. They’ve had no intention of releasing their products overseas in the first place, and now they’re labeling us all as a threat?

    Why should we be obliged to respect them as the “creators” if we can’t get any respect as “fans” in return?

  64. Chass Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    They’ve been labeling us as threats ever since the raeplay incident which caused some reform talks on certain genres of eroge…In fact, “we’ve” never really “defended” them or anything like you said. The thing is, you claim that you disrespect them because they did it to us “fans” first. However, they have, since the beginning, cater their games only to Japan. The fact that it got out of Japan and people are playing them outside of Japan is already disrespecting them/their wishes.

    Translation patches require the game to be hacked, which is illegal. The distribution of patches to the public without Minori’s consent is also illegal. Importing the game is also against Minori’s EULA. Therefore, who’s disrespecting who?

  65. Anon Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    ^Please just the shut the fuck up and go suck on some dicks now Chass. All your posts, all I read is “I like to suck minori’s big dicks”.

    “The fact that it got out of Japan and people are playing them outside of Japan is already disrespecting them/their wishes.”

    You serious? What if you’re Japanese or if you fluently speak Japanese, but you want to play it in your own country. You still can’t play it? You’re as dumb as those minori fucktards aren’t you? Yes, go listen to their absurd reasoning because it makes a lot of sense, minori cocksucker.

  66. Anon Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    >63

    Stupid anon is stupid. You are advised to think through more before making stupid assumptions that make anons look stupid. Stupid.

  67. Anon Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Oh and I suppose you’re comment was so intelligent, no? Tell me something, what was so stupid about my comment. Please do go into detail because I’m dying to know. Oh and it ain’t a fucking assumption when it’s fucking OBVIOUS. You are advised to think through before making stupid assumptions about ME because you don’t know SHIT. Great fucking assumption. Brilliant.

    By the way this is 63 replying to Mr. Smart Ass Anon 64.

  68. Chass Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    @63

    you keep insulting me, but what’s your genius reasoning? It’s a fact that they want their games to only be played in japan, and why can’t they?

    their reasoning? if they let ppl outside of japan play them, and dumbshit feminists and U.S. media pms all over their product, they will get pressured to take tnem off the shelves….it’s quite logical, really…

    even if it were unjustified, ITS THEIR FUCKIN PRODUCT!!!

    unless u have a logical argument, dont post. all you’ve done is flaming me with irrational bullshit.

  69. Anon Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    “you keep insulting me, but what’s your genius reasoning? It’s a fact that they want their games to only be played in japan, and why can’t they?

    their reasoning? if they let ppl outside of japan play them, and dumbshit feminists and U.S. media pms all over their product, they will get pressured to take tnem off the shelves….it’s quite logical, really…”

    The only reason the fucking feminazis first did the whole controversy crap was because of all the rape and violence act displayed against women in the fucking game. Honestly, who the fuck would care about fictional characters doing it if it wasn’t fucking rape and shit.

    As far as I’m concerned minori is just scared that they would have to deal with the same shit and in the end they’re blaming all foreigners for ONE person’s mistake (the dumb fuck who distributed rapelay). Now is that fair? In your definition, yes because they will be apparently “pressured”. Listen dumb fuck, before the whole feminazi, the Japanese government were already planning the fucking bans and all that crap. The feminazi was just a scapegoat excuse to pass on whatever fucking bills those dumb fucking politicians wanted. minori is just playing the blame game and pointing only their fingers at us which is just ridiculous.

    Also, what if you’re one of those unlucky bastards who happen to be Japanese, but live somewhere else. Why the fuck would they have to be restricted to be playing the game only if they were in Japan? What kind of rule is that? Yes, it’s a fact that minori does not want their games to be played outside Japan, but there will always be those who will import the damn game. Sucks for those unlucky bastards, but according to you that’s fair, hmmm?

    “even if it were unjustified, ITS THEIR FUCKIN PRODUCT!!!”

    Oh and WE don’t have the freedom to choose our decision? My goodness, you’re such a low life slave. minori is the creator of the fucking game, sure, but they ain’t a fucking god nor the fucking law for that matter. Yes, keep listening to them and respect them like a God. Jesus Christ.

    “unless u have a logical argument, dont post. all you’ve done is flaming me with irrational bullshit.”

    Happy that I provided a better explanation faggot?

  70. Mr. Smart Ass Anon 64 Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    So your reason for raging is because they were “being unfair”?

  71. Anon Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

    No. I just curse a lot.

    Love the new name by the way.

  72. Minorigate, or, How to Piss Otaku Off Without Really Trying » Behind The Nihon Review Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    [...] in its entirety. For a more detailed and comprehensive account of the events, please read these articles. The gist of minori‘s argument: We hold the copyright to these games, and we don’t want [...]

  73. Mr. Smart Ass Anon 64 Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    >70

    ^ Go read that (copied from my post which is awaiting moderation)

    The paragraph that starts with: “Rather, minori is simply acting on rational economic incentives.”

    Their stand boils down to use-in-Japan against use-in-foreign-countries. It doesn’t matter if its a Japanese tourist or a stupid anon playing overseas.

    -as a reply to “Also, what if you’re one of those unlucky bastards who happen to be Japanese, but live somewhere else.” Yeah its unfair, but that doesn’t mean minori is making an illogical move.

  74. Anon Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    “It doesn’t matter if its a Japanese tourist or a stupid anon playing overseas.”

    I wouldn’t put it past that.

    “Yeah its unfair, but that doesn’t mean minori is making an illogical move.”

    I wouldn’t call it the smartest move either. You don’t see ther eroge company going THIS far. Let’s be honest, seeing ef translated is not going to suddenly bring up the feminazi to an angry shit storm. No one is going to care.

    To be fairly honest, I couldn’t give a rat’s ass whether minori supported foreign fans or not because personally I was never a big fan of them. There seems to be a lot of foreign fans (probably due to ef), but sucks for them.

  75. Japanese Game Maker Engages In Wiki Edit War With Fansubbers, Then Opts For The DMCA Option | Techne.ws Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    [...] compete side-by-side with the commercial translated version in the marketplace. So, it’s sad to see Japanese game maker Minori slap TLWiki, a translation site, with a DMCA takedown for their work on a…. Apparently, this was after an edit war on the wiki itself, where the game maker supposedly deleted [...]

  76. eca Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    I can add 1 comment.
    PERSONAL USE..

    If you buy the game and make A MOD..thats Your OWN choice.
    release the MOD for free, THATS your choice.
    NO legal ramifications.

  77. zalas Says:
    April 27th, 2010 at 10:10 am

    >>74
    Psst, releasing the mod for free to people you don’t know is no longer “personal” use.

  78. Vaiol123 Says:
    April 29th, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    You guys should be aware of the fact that minority is doing this because they would rather have the game translated and resold through another company linked to them so that they can recieve money, not have some people do it for free and not get a cut of it. While I support fan translations a lot, this is the way business works.

  79. Vaiol123 Says:
    April 29th, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Sorry, auto correct made minori, minority

  80. N4sh Says:
    May 2nd, 2010 at 11:26 am

    I just wonder, why they care if they are not selling their games outside japan.
    Honestly and sadly, its clear that there are racist reasons behind this whole mess.

    Sooo shameful.

  81. zalas Says:
    May 2nd, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    >>80
    But according to them, Japanese people shouldn’t play these games outside of Japan, either…

  82. Daishi Says:
    May 2nd, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Down with the ACTA! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting_Trade_Agreement
    Minori would have power if this got passed.

    Say Fuck to ACTA we need our rights and freedoms ACTA is a blatant invasion of privacy, and is a complete contradiction of Section Eight of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the The Fourth Amendment for the US.

    Do you really want corporations like Minori to be able to force you off the internet with just an ACCUSASION of and no evidence what so ever?(this is beyond just a fight with minori btw) The Government seems to think that the only democratic right we have is the right to a vote! Let’s proof them wrong shall we!? I’m not asking you to vote for the pirate party.

    I’m asking you to be aware of this issue and how it’s going to affect your daily life whether or not you file share or not, And to Stand up for your Rights and Freedoms. So we can download what we want, when we want and that includes patches to translate Visual Novels!

    http://www.pirate-party.us for you in the USA
    http://www.pirateparty.ca/ for those in Canada

    Sorry people on the other nice big continent to our east I have nothing in my bag for you but I know you guys have your own pirate party, Google ;p

  83. Ymarsakar Says:
    May 21st, 2010 at 5:05 pm

    http://www.minori.ph/ is interesting.

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    I can’t say whether Minori is racist or not. It doesn’t matter to me. I’m not bringing them harm to the family. I’m interested in their visual novel products. They could be Yakuza and had hit men contracts signed out and I wouldn’t care. Business is business.

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    The Japanese have various laws they must follow. Copyright is only one of them. It doesn’t matter when copyright laws are still stuck in feudal times where property actually existed in reality. Now a days IP consists of information that can be multiplied, yet you still have that ‘property’. It’s a metaphysical paradox. How do you own something that can be multiplied and copied, yet the value of it wouldn’t decrease but rather increase given its exposure?

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    Just to throw in my couple cents in this.

    One thing i fail to understand and no one seems to have noticed so far as much i read through the comments (didn’t read all of them, sorry just too many guys lol)

    The translation has no COMMERCIAL gain, what are they protecting exactly, no matter what license they have, closed or not, it is not illegal to modify something if you do not get commercial gain from it. Imagine it very simply, i buy a microwave which is white and then spray it silver, as long as i don’t start reselling it saying ooooh look a silver release of this, i would not be braking any law at all and no company could ever do anything to me in any court in any country. Same is in this case, the group did nothing but add new colors, or if we skip the metaphor bs, translations, to an existing product, they weren’t selling their translations, they weren’t making users payed for the modified things, there is no law case here, minori isnt protecting any intellectual property here, they are quite frankly being retarded.

    The actual more exact law that would apply in this case is the internet copyright law, which put in simple terms sounds like this, any image, text, video, music, ect ect submitted on the internet, no matter where is automatically a copyright of the author that created it and any unauthorized edits if the author is against it can be legally requested to be removed, any commercial reselling needs authors permission.

    Its not quite the exact wording but what does it matter, fact is, im not entirely sure what spawned this huge discussion but seeing as minori is a game producing company i would safely assume its games. So lets brake it down now, the group was not seeking any commercial gain so last point which can be legally persecuted is automatically out. So that leaves us with the second, since the group did edit the game files they are technically liable to request removal of the files, BUT, they have to do it properly since there is no direct financial harm, they dont have the authority to just barge in and confiscate, in fact, them barging in and deleting chunks of wiki owned by someone is braking the owners of the websites copyright, because the author(s) created the site with the content and this owns the layout of the site.

    So it all comes down to this, did they have the right to request removal, yes they did, the law is on their side, all is good.

    Did they have the right to barge in and remove it, no they didn’t, just because their a big boo boo scary company going against simple people, they had to obey the copyright just the same.

    And finally law suit in Canada? for what, as i said the company didnt suffer any financial damage, so what possibly could they be suing for, intellectual property damage or copyright violation, well frankly its the internet, they would need to prove that the owner of the wiki received their requests to remove it, that he/she refused to do so, ect ect. and since there is no commercial damage, the costs of the court would way surpass the worth of the case so it would most likely would be denied.

    And also one more thing, if its subtitles withing the game, for example in xml files, then they have nothing at all, since the xml files have been written from scratch (cos they would need to change even the timings of the subtitle appearance)then they cant even request to remove that because it no longer belongs to them, while it might be a modification to their game, if it doesn’t in any way resemble the data in the actual game, they got nothing at all, just because the file names are the same, well a file name is quite frankly uncopyrightable.

    So in the end it all comes down to them being stupid, sorry i ranted for so long.

    Cheers everyone

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