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Eden* edit war with minori

April 23rd, 2010, by zalas
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Earlier today, a user (or possibly users) from a single Japanese IP address claiming to be representing eroge company minori cleared the TLWiki entry for Eden*, resulting in an edit war until one of the TLWiki administrators locked down the page. Several legal notices were posted along the way, as well as an argument between the two sides. It remains to be seen what minori will do about NNL’s upcoming releases.

The edit war started with said user deleting the contents of the Eden* TLWiki page. This was quickly reverted, and the user in question returned around three hours later to replace the page with the following statements:

このページで提供されているファイルは全てminoriが著作権を有しております。
当社は当該ページの所有者に対し、再配布の許可を出しておりませんので
全て削除させて頂きました。

ご了承下さい。

なお、異議等ございましたら、
日本語で株式会社ミノり(info@minori.ph)までお送り下さい。

Translated to English, the statements read: “minori holds copyright over all the files made available on this webpage. We, minori, have removed the contents of this page because the owner of this page has not received our permission for distribution of these materials. Please understand [the above statements]. Still, if there are objections, etc., please contact Minori, Inc. in Japanese at info@minori.ph.”

This resulted in some arguments, insults, as well as back-and-forth reverts. At one point, said user posted an English notice of infringement:

Notice of Copyright Infringement

minori Inc.
Address:Takagi bldg. 6F, 1-20-10 Sugamo,
Toshima-ku Tokyo,170-0002,JAPAN
email: info@minori.ph

On behalf of “ minori Inc., ” in JAPAN, I hereby provide notice to you of copyright infringement by the website of www.minori.ph.

and request you to remove, or disable access to, the certain materials uploaded on the above website as follows.

1. Identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed:

eden*

2. I have a good-faith belief that the copyright owner, its agent or the law, does not authorize use of the material in the manner complained of.

3. I state that the information in this notification is accurate, and, under penalty of perjury, that I am authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

Sincerely yours.

This went on for several more revert wars, ending up with said user writing “これ以上、不当に更新を行った場合、当社は法的措置を行います。minori Inc.” (If there are any more improper updates, minori Inc. will be taking legal measures.) and then adding an English translation: “Our company legally takes measures when updating it unjustified any further.”

A string of more reverts continued for some time until a TLWiki administrator finally locked down the page and cleared it.

The user talk page for said user’s IP address also contains a discussion between said user and several other TLWiki users [comments and translations in square brackets]:

If you don’t want people translating your games, publish them in English and we will buy them. 134.173.60.163 [this is one of the IPs involved in the reverts] 13:14, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

私たちのゲームは全て日本国内の法令を遵守して制作しており、また日本国外への販売、日本国外での使用は全て禁止しております。もし貴方たちが日本国外でminoriのゲームをプレイしたいということであれば、minoriから翻訳のための正式なライセンスを受け、当該国における倫理審査団体(例えばアメリカであれば、Entertainment Software Rating Boardです)の審査を受けた上で、合法的に翻訳し販売(もしくは頒布)すべきだと考えます。当社はminori本社へいらっしゃって日本語で交渉される場合、その用意があります。–218.219.158.186 13:19, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

[All of our games are produced while respecting the laws of Japan; exporting of these games and usage of these games outside Japan is forbidden. If you wish to play minori's games outside of Japan, you should be obtaining an official license to translate from minori, adhere to your country's game rating agency (for example, in America, there is the ESRB) and legally translate, sell (and perhaps distribute) these games. We are willing if said party wants to come to minori headquarters and discuss these matters in Japanese.]

Wrong. The ESRB in the US is not needed for PC releases, as companies like JastUSA and Mangagamer do not use it. 134.173.60.163 13:23, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

他社の事情はわかりかねますが、私たちのソフトウェアに関しては必ず当該国の倫理機構団体の審査を受けることを条件にライセンスを提供します。それが当社のポリシーです。私たちは英語版をリリースする予定はありませんが、英語版をリリースしたいと考える会社、グループが正式な手順でコンタクトしてくるのであれば、可能性を閉ざすことはありません。当社は社会的ルールに従って行動することを要求しているのです。–218.219.158.186 13:28, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

[I do not know about other (game) companies, but with regards to our software, review by an ethics organization in the target country is a condition to our license. That is our policy. We have no plans to release English versions of our games, but if there is a company or group interested in releasing an English version, and they follow proper procedure in contacting us, there is some possibility for it to work. Our company wishes to operate along the rules of society.]

MangaGamer.com releases games from Navel, OVERDRIVE, Nexton, Circus, 07th Expansion, BaseSon, and a number of others in English, despite never talking to the Entertainment Software Rating Board

MangaGamerがどのようなシステムを取っているのか当社ではわかりかねます。
当社はレーティングを行わずリリースする行為は道徳に反すると考えています。
当社のソフトは全世界どこでリリースされたとしても、第三者による保証が必要だと考えているからです。
MangaGamerはMangaGamer、minoriはminoriで別の会社ですから考え方が違うと思います。ご理解ください。–218.219.158.186 13:33, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

[We do not know how MangaGamer operates. We believe that releasing games without going through a rating agency is immoral. Even if we release our software worldwide, we believe that it's necessary to have a guarantee from a third party. MangaGamer is MangaGamer, and minori is minori; different companies have different viewpoints. Please understand.]

Unlike other countries the American ESRB system does not refuse to rate anything they are given, they have no policies in place to allow them to refuse a game. So it would be trivial to get a rating, nothing more than giving them the cash.

現在ESRBに変わるシステムが無い以上、その審査を受けなければいけないとminoriは考えます。 それが商業としてソフトウェアを社会に送り出すルールだからです。当該国の文化は当該国が守って行く大事なものです。ですから、その国の定めたシステムを守ることも企業として当然のことなのです。ご理解いただけますか?–218.219.158.186 13:39, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

[As long as there is no alternative system to ESRB in place, we at minori believe that games need to go through the ESRB system and that it's a rule that a business should abide by when releasing software into society. It's important that a country protect its own culture. Therefore, an enterprise naturally must abide by the rules set by the country it is in. Do you understand?]

To avoid confusion, just in case you didn’t notice: the person you’re currently arguing with is just a random user, he’s not speaking on behalf of the project staff or TLWiki staff. At the moment, none of the project staff members are online, and I am currently the only TLWiki administrator online. Just saying this to avoid any potential misunderstandings. VDZ 13:49, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

VDZ様、ありがとうございます。ですが、例えプロジェクトメンバーでない任意のユーザーだとしても、私たちは企業として真摯に対応し、minoriがどこの国においてもその国のルールを最大限尊重している事を理解して頂くために努力をしなければなりません。 また、今後、プロジェクトのメンバーやTLWikiのメンバーが私たちの会社にコンタクトを取ろうと考えるならば、その扉を閉じる事はありません。–218.219.158.186 13:57, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

[Thank you very much, Mr. VDZ. However, even if it is just some random user unrelated to the (translation) project, we, as a company, are sincere, and we strive to have people understand that we respect the rules established by a country to the utmost degree, no matter what country. Now, if the project members or TLWiki members wish to contact us, our door is open to them.]

Finally, there was an additional post on TLWiki administrator’s talk page:

当該のページで公開されていた「.sc」ファイルは全て弊社の著作物であり、著作権法で保護されています。これを翻訳し公開する行為は、翻訳権、複製権、公衆送信権の侵害となります。本件について当社の見解は、管理人およびプロジェクトのメールアドレスへ送致いたしました。なお、異議がある場合は、日本語で当社アドレスinfo@minori.phまでお送り下さい。(IPアドレスを調査いただけば、これが当社(minori)より投稿していることをご理解いただけると思います。)

Translation:

The .sc files made available on said page are copyright materials belonging to our company and are protected under copyright law. Translating and publicly distributing these files is an infringement of the translation, replication and distribution rights of the copyright owner. With regards to the current issue, the views of the company have been emailed to the maintainer as well as the project. Still, if there are objections, please send email to our company at info@minori.ph. (If you investigate the IP address, we believe you will realize that these posts have been made from our company, minori.)

Following this, several pages on the wiki containing .sc files have been removed by said administrator.

Thanks to Dan88 for the heads up.

UPDATE: A video of the ef fandub produced in cooperation with NNL and linked from their website has now been taken off YouTube “due to a copyright claim by 株式会社ミノリ”.

UPDATE 2: An official response has been posted on TLWiki regarding minori.

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  1. appztetra Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 8:08 am

    Hoooo~~~ edit wars….

  2. nebosuke Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 8:18 am

    note: the comment was a joke (if you couldn’t tell by the video) so don’t take it seriously please

  3. Nemo Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 9:14 am

    I’ve already bought the game, I hope the translation still manages to see the light of day since reading Japanese is really exhausting for me…
    Not a really surprising move, considering Minori has always been quite hostile to foreign customers (I think they were amongst the first to enforce IP restrictions.)

  4. rikarika Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Wow. I can understand these guys wanting to get a legit translation, but that’s some asshole move they pulled off. This project can only increase Minori’s fanbase in the west and awareness of their products, something critical for getting a real localization on future games. Instead they choose to get horrible bad press, piss off the community and remain in obscurity. And even if they have the right to control their IP, there are much better ways to exercise that than vandalizing a wiki. Seriously, what an embarrassment.
    And let’s hope this is based on a bad business stance and not on pure xenophobia.

    I guess not everybody can be as awesome as 07th Expansion.

  5. zalas Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Keep in mind that 07th Expansion could do some of the pro-fan stuff they’ve done because they are not a company and do not have to answer to shareholders.

  6. CompleteTaco Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 10:16 am

    That would hold some relevance if minori didn’t block foreign IPs to begin with. Meaning they’re literally discouraging business – no shareholder would actually want that.

  7. zalas Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 10:40 am

    I’m assuming they are okay with it because their perceived risk of social/governmental backlash due to foreign interests outweighs the small potential loss in revenue. Whether the perceived risk is close to actual risk is debatable. ;) Besides, what minori has done has no bearing on whether 07th Expansion is allowed to be “awesome” or not.

  8. X-Calibar Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    I bought Eden* … I wonder if I should have …

    It’s too bad minori is against english fans. It seems to me like their games (and anime) are in a unique position to catch the eye of the west in a positive light amidst this fear mongering or whatnot.
    Wishful thinking I suppose.

  9. Chass Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    Minori is not against english fans, they’re against copyright infringement of their property, which most companies feel the same way about.

    They block foreign IPs because Western government don’t know how to mind their own business and almost caused the VN industry to get a major hit (major restrictions on VNs).

  10. Anon Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    @9: No, they are clearly against non-Japanese fans. Read all of Minori’s posts.

    “exporting of these games and usage of these games outside Japan is forbidden”

    They do not want non-Japanese to use their products, irregardless of whether the customer obtains their goods legally or not. The only situation they desire that allows non-Japanese customers to obtain the game is an official license with review by a 3rd party such as the ESRB. I would go so far as to suspect the only reason they would allow it then is due to astronomical licensing fees, cosidering they don’t wany paying customers obtaining a Japanese version of the game in the first place.

  11. Chass Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 6:27 pm

    like I’ve said, they don’t want to deal with foreign government. After all, the raeplay incident didn’t happen on some illegal copyright infringement site.

  12. Marche90 Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    Not to defend them, but TECHNICALLY, its right: try reading any video game box or disc label that you have in your house and you will see an issue saying something like this “For use only in USA, Canada, Mexico and Latin America” (This one was taken word for word from one of my games).
    That most people or companies don’t give a crap about that is a different matter altogether.
    Sadly, minori does, and now I’m kinda sad because probably Ef won’t be released ¬¬… if only NNL hadn’t take that much time to release it….

  13. Chass Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    well, the reason they got slammed is because they posted files for the add-on disc, which is copyrighted…

    btw, nnl has been giving minori the middle finger ever since they shut foreigners out (changing to standalone release, etc…) so we can’t say for sure yet…

  14. nes Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    To drive the point about minori’s xenophobia, I believe one of their games (ef iirc) had DRM which forced you to have your computer’s time zone set to Japanese.

    All their actions against foreigners thus far wasn’t just based on fear of western backlash against the eroge industry. minori clearly hates foreigners.

  15. Anon Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    And that’s why NNL is so much more awesome. We all so deserve that standalone release.

    Seriously, fuck Minori and fuck their games. Couldn’t give a shit about the fans anywhere in the world besides the almighty Japan.

    Oh and 07th Expansion don’t care as much because they’re a doujin circle anyway.

  16. Anon Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Pretty much fucking up the whole TLwiki for Eden instead of sending a simple fucking email to cease translation, very mature way to handle thing. I see now why minori deserves to get the respect it gets.

  17. Chass Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    How can you say fuck their games but ask for NNL’s standalone of that same game?

  18. ImmLff Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    Here is the question that keeps bothering me. Are there any actual proofs that minori are the ones responsible for those edits at TLwiki?
    Theoretically it could be someone unrelated to them.

  19. Chass Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 7:37 pm

    this is the only proof
    http://images.4chan.org/jp/src/1272024436673.png

    (look at the bottom most part)

  20. Chass Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    oops, sorry abt that…

    here it is:
    http://i42.tinypic.com/2s6pwqw.jpg

    (look at the bottom most part)

  21. Anon Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    @17: Hey why not as well play it if it’s fucking FREE? Should I not play it just because I said fuck it? Of course that’s IF NNL ever does fucking release it.

    Anyway, minori is using big words to just try to scare people. They can’t do shit outside of Japan. I would love to see that actually take that legal action if they got the balls or money to do that.

    @18: Well, there’s no definite proof. Some thought it was just NNL trolling again, but seeing as how the fandub videos went down as well, people are just assuming it is minori since it has the japanese IP and they said so themselves. Anyway, this sounds like something minori would do anyway. They’re bunch of dicks.

    Oh and Moogy should just go die now. Seriously. Yes, respect the rights of the original owners when they don’t give any fucking respect to you at all. My goodness, just go suck their balls for christ’s sake.

  22. mstrchef117 Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    Do you think other VN companies will start taking down the other projects on the page? (and other projects too)

    Damn, if this keeps going, I might actually have to take Japanese when I go to college.

  23. Anon Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Maybe. Dark Translation also got a C&D from Pixy Soft. Probably because Nephrinn were translating stuff for $$ or because Pixy Soft don’t want their rape games to be translated in english because of the whole rapelay crap.

    Not all VN companies are an ass like minori. I remember the Type-Moon news posted here a few months ago that were actually trying to help with the translation. minori just hate foreigners. Plain and simple.

  24. Moogy Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    @20 Most companies probably aren’t terribly interested in C&Ding random people, but I can see it happening with ABS2, unfortunately. Otherwise, I wouldn’t worry about it too much.

    However, I’m hoping that, if something like this ever happens again, the company will have the prudence to discuss things with me via email instead of engaging in edit wars while I am not available. Perhaps that way we can actually work something out instead of… well, what happened here.

  25. mstrchef117 Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    anyway I still have a way to play eden, a chinese translation is up. Being a Chinese immigrant, I know how to speak but my reading skills is quite rusty.. But, hopefully Minori did not find the Chinese translations.

    Frankly, I’m surprised that there is a vibrant (relatively) Chinese VN translation/fan community.

    Even thinking about reading Remember11 and 12Riven in chinese, albiet they’re gonna run me like 90bucks USD avg ea.

  26. shinji Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    > Chass

    http://www.maxmind.com/app/locate_demo_ip?ips=218.219.158.186

    Organization: minori Inc.

  27. Anon Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    @25: Geez, if you’re Chinese you should hurry up and learn Japanese. Learning Japanese should be a cinch to you. By the way, there are both a lot of fan translations in Chinese and Korean. Not really surprising since Chinese and Korean are the two closes language to Japanese, so it should be easy for either to translate them.

    @26: Well that just proves it. minori is a dick.

  28. Aaeru Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Guys I think I should try to balance up the equation. So many people are saying “minori fucks the foreigners”.

    It’s not that they are ‘xenophobic’ or serving ‘almighty japan’ only. They MADE their games for Japanese people. These games are NOT designed for us! We have NO say over whether these things gets exported over or not. Just so that I might drill it into head:

    THESE ARE NOT OUR GAMES!

    So please don’t speak as though the handful of people here are somehow, ‘entitled’ to their right-to-be-served regarding minori’s or other creators’ games. Japanese people have driven demand for these games and have built the industry to the way it is – not foreigners.

    Just wanted to spell it out because so many people feel like they are being ‘mistreated’. We are not even their customers. Their customers are in the overwhelming majority, Japanese people. The existence of fans of visual novels outside of Japan is a minuscule spec of sand, versus the purchasers that reside in Japan. This is why companies aren’t interested in exporting their products. There is no money for them. and only recoil.

    Our media treats their games like whipping whores in the back of an icecream truck. AND The majority of Westerners agrees with these media outlets. You do know that right?

  29. Anon Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    @28

    Do you understand what exporting is? Exporting does not refer to minori localizing their games for another country, or having another company localize the game for them. Exporting merely referes to the selling of goods to an entity in another country. Retailers or maling services in Japan may export the goods without minori having to do anything. If someone imports the game from outside of Japan, as far as minori is concerned (sales wise), it’s the exact same as if someone bought the game inside Japan.

    I also think you’re misunderstanding something. People realize that the games aren’t “made for us”, as you put it, but many people here are still paying customers. Yes, minori had the right to have the fan translation taken down (although their method was a bit distasteful). The problem that people have with minori is their attitude towards foreigners. Although we may not be their intended audience, we still buy their products. It’s fine if they don’t concentrate on us, or promote their goods to us. But to go out of their way to specifically slander foreigners, and to basically say that they do not care about us, is absurd. It sets a horrible image for their company, and it is the major reason people are upset here.

    We “foreigners” aren’t asking to be made into eroge companies’ love pets. We’re not asking that they cater their games towards us. We’re just asking that they don’t needlessly attack us. Most companies are like that –they neither promote or bar their games from being sold to foreigners. But minori takes every chance it can get to tell foreigners that they don’t care about us, even before the entire Rapelay incident.

  30. Anon Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    @28: Are you serious? You’re joking right?

    So what you’re saying is just because it was made for Japanese people, only Japanese people have the right to play this? What kind of fucking rule is that? What if I wanted to play a Japanese RPG game instead of a western style of RPG game. If it wasn’t licensed and translated in English, I can’t play it because it was only meant for Japanese people to play? Come on, that’s just plain fucking dumb reasoning.

    Great, more cocksuckers of minori. Just what we need.

  31. anon Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    hahahahahahahahaha
    minori hates you
    and you still suck their cock

    great

  32. Zing Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    > Keep in mind that 07th Expansion could do some of the pro-fan stuff they’ve done because they are not a company and do not have to answer to shareholders.

    However using this would be a poor excuse if it was still their choice to have shareholders in the first place. Blame doesn’t magically shift just because the real mistake was an error made further into the past. :)

  33. zalas Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Unfortunately, there are things in the world that can only be done with money. :(

  34. anon Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    >zalas
    too bad they don’t want your money

  35. Eriol-kun Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Sure is minority spirit within minori nowadays

  36. random.idiot Says:
    April 23rd, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    shareholders, what shareholders? I thought minori is a private company, isn’t it?

    any way, I don’t know what TLwiki was hosting, if it was the title description and few images, then as far as I know that falls under fair use, doesn’t it? If TLwiki was hosting the script files…. then I can see why minori got upset, and the exchange they had on TLwiki might have increased their hatred toward the foreign fanbase. I don’t know how long it would be before they ask shops like ErogeShop to stop listing their products, but if they ever make such a request, it is within their right to do so as it is within our right not to get their titles. (note: racism doesn’t apply here, as long as they allow *anyone* inside Japan to buy it, it should be fine… AFAIK)

    minori seem to still blame foreigners for the Japanese censorship and is not buying the fact that it is 100% internal (as I said else where, I believe the EN action is in actual fact Japanese in nature. The Japanese pro-censorship guys couldn’t get an internal memento so they fabricated an external one).

    any way, minori seem to see us as an eyesore and wish for us not to bother them. I for one don’t have a problem with that. I don’t regret buying ‘wind’, but will no longer support them in any way or form. And for that matter won’t bother with NNL translations from this point onwards. Paid for or pirated, minori doesn’t want us to touch their stuff, so that is fine by me. I’ll miss their opening movies and the quality of the backgrounds they draw.

    bye bye minori, it was fun while it lasted. And until *you* take action to acknowledge foreign fans (by releasing an *official* English version), I for one won’t bother with your titles even if they are offered for free by a 3rd party.

    random.idiot aka stranger

  37. anon Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 12:18 am

    >36
    too bad they say you foreigners arent allowed to use it at all

  38. anon Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 12:22 am

    in addition to post above. the proof that even if you’re living in japan you STILL can’t play it. unless you have your locales set to japan and your entire operating system in japanese version.

    no you can’t just change locales and unicodes. you need a japanese version of windows.

    so literally it’s saying gaijins fuck off.

  39. sugisaki Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    good story, all coments are epic as well.
    maybe i must blame/complaint to the god (or rebel) for not gave japan as my place of birth, so i can play that games easily.
    discrimination, as minori does, is violating human rights.

  40. Ponyo Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 1:15 am

    Do I see any similarity between NNL and Minori in a way they are treating fans?

  41. MM Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 1:55 am

    “We always keep the minority spirit” my foot. Minori’s zealous efforts to exclude foreigners who are, or in mine and many others cases were, fans of their work is proof that they certainly could care less about the “minority” of fans outside of Japan. Even though I illegally obtain media and software from Japan, I end up purchasing them once they are released in the United States (To the point where I am running out of space).

    However, it is clear that my money and support are unwanted so I’ll be more than happy to take my money elsewhere. I suggest to any person who cares even an inkling about this to blacklist any work or software made by Minori just as those at Minori have blacklisted the rest of world.

  42. zalas Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 6:45 am

    >>36

    A company isn’t a company without shareholders or some other type of similar structure; it is how they raise capital (outside of loans). The parent company that owns the minori brand is 株式会社ミノリ, indicating that they are a corporation (and thus have stock). The whole idea behind a corporation is that the stockholders invest their capital in a corporation in exchange for an interest in the corporation. The investment pays off through the growth of the company either by the investor selling the stock or earning dividends. Whether the corporation allows any one to buy stock determines whether it’s privately or publicly traded.

    Personally, if minori wants to be this hostile, I feel that people should just boycott their games — don’t buy them, don’t translate them, don’t play them.

  43. anon Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    yeh totally like they will care if we boycott them
    i’d rather just send letters to equality now and ruin eroge forever for everybody

  44. anon Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 9:19 am

    yeh totally like they will care if we boycott them

  45. anon Says:
    April 24th, 2010 at 9:24 am

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